Michial Farmer hosts a a conversation with Danny Anderson and Nathan Gilmour about metamodernism, a philosophical movement described recently in an article by Timotheus Vermeulen and Robin van den Akker. Metamodernism claims to move beyodn postmodernism by giving up the latter's pervasive cynicism, preferring instead to oscillate between naivete and cynicism. A fight over the relative worth or worthlessness of the movement ensues.