David Grubbs moderates a conversation with Michial Farmer and Nathan Gilmour about the ocean, the sea, and other large bodies of salty water. Digging into the Greco-Roman and Northern-European etymologies before exploring mythological and other literary representations, the trio talks about teh modern oceanographic picture of things as another, interesting, rhetorical presentation of the same reality. Among the texts, artists, and other realities we discuss are Homer, Hokusai, Moby Dick, Dante, Captains Courageous, Debussy, and the rhetoric of science.