David Grubbs moderates a conversation with Michial Farmer and Nathan Gilmour about dystopian fiction, mainly novels. After establishing the relationships between utopian and dystopian texts, the trio digs into the peculiarly modern conditions that yield this postmodern genre, digging into the marks of the really good and the notably bad specimens of dystopia. Among the texts, writers, and other realities discusssed are 1984, Brave New World, The Handmaid's Tale, The Hunger Games, William Gibson's Cyberspace trilogy, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, The Handmaid's Tale, and Atlas Shrugged.