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What’s the thing that you hold onto? What matters to you?

My friend, Sunflower, and I shared a rambling conversation about life, the universe, and everything. Part of our meander carried us past an exploration of what we might think of hope, and how we might meet our lives head-on.

These particular words have never been put together in this fashion before.

That’s what makes it cool.

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The McElroy Family produces a beautiful buffet of delightful content, including The Adventure Zone, MBMBAM (My Brother, My Brother, and Me), Sawbones, Shmanners, and more, and are productions on the Maximum Fun network. Here are some poignant and beautiful glimpses into just how amazing The Adventure Zone is and the wisdom inherent in the Magical Merle. “I Choose Joy” (If The Adventure Zone were a musical) and this animated clip of Merle asking, Are You My Friend?

Sunflower is part of the Quaple Network and can be heard on the  And They Were Roommates Podcast, which is available everywhere podcasts are found.

You can check out Kathrin’s other podcast, Friends for the Journey, wherever podcasts are found.

If you’re interested in having a conversation with Kathrin, send an email here. You can also check out the websites for Here’s Hoping: Conversations with Kathrinand Gabriel-Jones Coaching.

Music has been created & produced by Seth Jones. Artwork by Ty_Sorex & Canva.