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On this week's mid-week episode, Adam Quiney sits down with his friend, Forge alumna, and Member of Parliament for Victoria, Laurel Collins, to explore leadership, transformation, and what's happening beneath the surface of politics. Together, they examine how breakthroughs occur in complex systems, what authentic leadership looks like inside government, and the deeper forces that shape political decision-making beyond policies, headlines, and public debate. Rather than focusing on politics as a game of strategy or ideology, Adam and Laurel explore the human side of leadership and the possibilities that emerge when leaders are willing to challenge assumptions, embrace uncertainty, and create meaningful change from the inside out.