Passion alone doesn't build a business—systems turn purpose into something sustainable.
In this episode, Adi Klevit sits down with Patty Aubery to explore how one idea evolved into one of the most recognizable personal development brands in the world. Patty shares the early behind-the-scenes reality of Chicken Soup for the Soul, including years of rejection, relentless promotion, and the systems that eventually made massive scale possible.
Adi and Patty discuss the difference between passion as a hobby and passion as a business. Patty reflects on the defining personal moment that pushed her to step out from behind the scenes and become visible, and how that shift now informs the work she does with entrepreneurs who are settling, hiding, or staying stuck.
The conversation comes full circle to systems and processes. Patty explains why structure does not limit creativity—it enables it. From publishing hundreds of titles to coaching business owners today, she emphasizes that without systems, you have a job; with systems, you have a company.
