An interest in the Carlisle Indian Industrial School led The Spaniard to this discussion with Neal McCaleb, a member of the Chickasaw Nation who helps lead its economic development projects. He talks to The Spaniard about experiencing prejudice and serving in multiple positions in Oklahoma state government and as the U.S. Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Indian Affairs. He shares his deep knowledge of American Indian boarding schools such as Carlisle—their questionable intent and mixed results that ranged from alienating students from family and neighbors to the innovation of the forward pass in football.