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In this episode, Abby Walthausen interviews Kate Lebo, author of *Pie School* and *Pie and Whiskey*, about the essays and recipes in *The Book of Difficult Fruit: Arguments for the Tart, Tender, and Unruly*. For memory, Lebo presents both a short rule of thumb for pie crust and Robert Frost's "The Rose Family." Recitation begins at 32:50.