In this episode, David and Sophie explore Jesus’ mysterious words about salt and fire. What does it mean to be “salted with fire”? Together they trace how Jesus’ imagery of salt, yeast, and fire all point to the same inner reality — the places in us that can rot from within and the grace that makes us whole again.
The “rot” he names isn’t moral failure so much as the slow decay of trust: the way ego, rivalry, and the hunger to prove ourselves can swell and corrupt the heart. Together, David and Sophie explore how the fire of God’s love doesn’t come to destroy but to refine, how salt preserves what’s real and alive, and how the security of a child who knows they belong points the way to wholeness. This is a conversation about becoming truly alive and letting the refining fire burn away everything false so that what remains is love that endures.
