In this engaging conversation, Nirav and Joe explore various themes surrounding career transitions, personal hobbies, and the impact of COVID-19 on work-life balance. Joe shares his journey from the insurance industry to pursuing jujitsu and homeschooling his children, emphasizing the importance of finding fulfillment outside of work. They discuss the challenges and rewards of homeschooling, the sense of community it fosters, and Joe's experiences as a landlord in real estate.