Four men. One book written for women.And a question:Do we really lead so differently, or are the foundations of good leadership the same for all of us?
When Sabine invited Ben Osborn, Cyrus Park, Damiano Urbinello, and Patrick Bartosch to read Beyond the Ladder and explore its accompanying workbook, she wasn’t just curious; she wanted honest feedback. Could the stories, reflections, and exercises written for women also resonate with men? Could they see themselves in the themes of purpose, courage, and clarity and apply them in their own leadership journeys?
What unfolded was a conversation that went beyond gender. It became a space for reflection on fairness, empathy, trust, and the courage to lead with integrity. Together, they discussed legacy, vulnerability, and the kind of leadership that creates belonging, not just performance.
The dialogue moved between laughter and insight, challenge and recognition. There were moments where the book’s ideas took on new meaning through their perspectives, reminders that leadership, at its heart, is human before it’s hierarchical.
This episode isn’t about difference; it’s about connection, curiosity, and listening.And it’s about how the language of leadership might not need rewriting, just expanding.
