This conversation explores the evolution of indie music, the concept of selling out, and the cultural impact of nostalgia in the indie scene. The hosts discuss how indie music has transformed from a DIY ethos to a significant industry, the implications of signing with major labels, and the authenticity of artists in the face of commercial success. They also touch on music reunions and whether they can recapture the original magic, concluding with thoughts on the balance between artistic integrity and financial necessity.TakeawaysIndie music has evolved from a DIY ethos to a significant industry.The meaning of 'indie' has changed over time, now encompassing various genres.Selling out is often perceived negatively, but artists need to earn money.Cultural nostalgia plays a significant role in how we view past indie music scenes.Reunions can be a way for artists to reconnect with their roots and fans.The perception of success can change when money enters the equation.Radiohead is often cited as an example of an 'unsellout' band.MGMT's attempt to reinvent themselves highlights the risks of selling out.Alice Cooper's reunion raises questions about authenticity and fan service.Pulp's new album demonstrates that creativity can thrive even after long hiatuses.Chapters00:00 Understanding Indie Music: Origins and Evolution01:45 The Landfill Indie Phenomenon03:15 The Impact of Major Labels on Indie Culture04:45 The Merge Records Acquisition: A New Era for Indie Labels05:41 Defining Selling Out in the Music Industry06:44 Famous Examples of Selling Out06:53 The Dilemma of Artistic Integrity vs. Commercial Success07:58 Can Artists Unsell Out?09:11 The Future of Indie Music and Selling Out14:36 The Great Advert Debate15:01 Selling Out in Music Culture16:17 Alice Cooper's Legacy and Reunion17:56 The Nature of Musical Reunions19:26 Pulp's New Album and Authenticity23:50 Final Thoughts and Recommendations