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Discussing the leadup to Thrawn’s exile laid out in Timothy Zahn’s conclusion to The Ascendancy Trilogy, Lesser Evil (2021), as well as Thrawn and Thrass’s tragic backstory, Lou and Lenny get unusually emotional and reflect on memory and friendship. Lenny over-intellectualizes a one-off comment comparing Thrawn’s trajectory to Anakin’s. Lou explains the different forms of conspiratorial thinking, and the duo discuss their favourite conspiracy theories.

Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos 

Music: Thomas Seibel

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Further reading: 

Charted Courses and Collisions - marroniere_m

The Fog is Coming

2025 Guinea-Bissau coup d’état

Timothy Zahn and Aaron Allston discussing the (then potential) re-setting of SW canon

The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire - Chris Kempshall (2024)

Anakin has a Doctorate in Darth Plagueis the Wise Studies - Seals are Good

The Americans (2013-2018)

The Writer’s Journey: Mythic Structure for Writers  - Christopher Vogler (1992)

The Hero with A Thousand Faces  - Joseph Campbell (1949)

“Finland doesn’t exist” conspiracy 

“Marjorie Taylor Greene planted pipe bombs” conspiracy 

“JD Vance Killed the Pope” conspiracy 

The Question of Narrative in Contemporary Historical Theory - Hayden White (1984) 

Conspiracy and Sedition as Canadian Political Crimes - Peter Mackinnon (1977) 

A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America - Michael Barkun (2003)

The October Crisis