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Shroud skeptic Hugh Farey joins me to discuss Nicholas Allen's Proto-Photo and Nathan D. Wilson's Shadow image-forming hypotheses. While, Hugh is a Shroud skeptic regarding the Shroud in general, nevertheless he takes a "Pro-Shroud" position with respect to the validity of these two Shroud skeptical mechanisms. Finally, we also briefly discuss Picknett and Prince's absurd notion that the Shroud Man's images were made by Leonardo Davinci.