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Today I am delighted to share this imperfectly perfect, perfectly imperfect conversation with Ginie Servant-Miklos
who is Assistant Professor , Climate Psychology, Education Director, Bildung Climate School in Rotherdam Netherlands.

In this episode I explore with Ginie:

Her own journey thus far.

Why she wrote her book Pedagogies of Collapse which you can also access through open access here

We discussed why people said "Don't talk about collapse, you're going to scare people off" and so much more...

I invite you to listen to the whole conversation. You won't be disappointed!