This episode was a complete surprise for our seavangelesse. The chat was recorded at the Startup Societies Summit in Washington D.C. Max Borders, co-founder of Voice and Exit, and guest of this podcast, speaks with our seavangelesse, Nathalie Mezza-Garcia, about all her favorite subjects: complexity science, chaos, entropy, dissipative systems, heterarchies, seasteading and polycentrism. The chat also focuses on concepts that are at the core of Max’s interests; panarchy spiral dynamics, holacracy, mutual aid, decentralized, distributed systems and the social singularity. This is the title of Max´s latest book, which is also discussed in this improvised conversation.
0:00 Introduction to Max Borders1:25 The End of Politics2:48 Mutual Aid4:45 Holochain5:30 Distributed Income Support cooperative, DISC6:30 The solution: Neither the market nor the state11:10 Polycentrism, polyarchy and panarchy -and seasteading13:45 Biological systems and ecosystems15:35 Holacracy17:30 Heterarchies: from Newtonian models to bio-inspired ones 22:30 Entropy, chaos theory, complex systems and dissipative structures29:00 The values of the post-ideological world 31:00 Nature is anarchic32:30 Emergent nested hierarchies34:05 The Social Singularity35:20 Stuart Kauffman, self-organization, evolution and critical transition points38:15 Spiral dynamics 45:30 The future of governance46:45 Closing; The Decentralist Manifesto
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