In episode 13, George and Phil discuss track 11 from 12 am, "Say it Will," which explores the moments leading up to the kidnapping and subsequent torture of Bangladeshi journalist Tasneem Khalil. Phil talks about his correspondence with Tasneem, trying to get his head into the right frame of mind, and where Tasneem is today. Also discussed: guest foley artist Stergios Skatharoudis; at its core, this song is about the intimacy between father and son, which was abruptly shattered; George and Phil talk about their dads.
