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Episode 39 of The Butters Podcast is my conversation with DJ, actor, filmmaker, and creative, David Allen. Available now on all your favourite podcast apps, and Patreon.

Dirty Burger, “fear stands in the way of an experience”, sheep’s balls, a blind museum, closing your eyes when a really good song comes on, DJing, racism by conditioning vs racism by hate, leaving at sunrise to drive to LA, and more.

Thank you to the peeps at 91 Aro, the Garage Project Taproom, for such an amazing space to have a conversation. For those who love a good craftie, Dave had the Hard Knocks Hazy IPA, and I had the Ghost Light Hazy IPA.

This conversation is made possible thanks to my patrons, and if you’re keen to support the podcast, jump onto patreon.com/butters and sign up as a patron. Link in the bio.

But thank you again for tuning in to episode 39 of The Butters Podcast, my conversation with David Allen. Enjoy.