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I've stopped recording regular lectures for class, in lieu of seminars, but here, I'm joined by my friend Antonio Sosa, PhD candidate in politics at University of Dallas, for a conversation of book 4 of the Republic. We discuss:



- how Antonio's concern for the suppression of liberty in contemporary Venezuela led him to political philosophy;

- the dramatic opening of book 4; why Socrates' definition of justice might seem disappointing;

- the relation of the noble lie to the wisdom of the rulers;

- how and why Plato is a "flirtatious" author;

- the Platonic focus on domestic politics and the soul in contrast to the Machiavellian focus on foreign affairs and national strength;

- the nobility and honor-loving character of Socrates's interlocutors;

- last but not least, the study of philosophy in a time of widespread anxiety about death