What's the most effective way to make change: through elections and voting or through demonstrations and protest? This episode, we're joined by Erica Browne, a student at Notre Dame who helped organize a Black Lives Matter rally in Oklahoma City over the summer. We talk activism at Notre Dame, how her pre-med classes don't reflect necessary skills for doctors, and Boiling Point Organization, an organization she co-founded with her fellow organizers. We also talk her work with the Kendra Horn campaign in Oklahoma's Fifth District, why she became a notary public, and what Netflix series she's binged recently.