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Instead of spending 20 minutes online shopping, spend 20 minutes listening to a couple of 'value maximizers' talk about how to not shop.  I don't want to spend my time chasing the newest, biggest and most expensive.  Does that make me un-American? The wasteful quest for new and discardable things might be good for the economy, but is it good for us?  There are some shopping trends that make someone like me feel like maybe I'm not swimming against the current.  Every crisis has lasting impacts: will the economic downturn associated with the covid-19 crisis force an American sea change in shopping habits?

My guest is Jen Hale, a fellow 'value maximizer' and host of the new podcast Party of 13: https://anchor.fm/jennifer-hale