John talks to Phil Graham who recorded and mixed 'Any Old Love' the band's fourth album from 2014. John and Phil talk in detail about the unconventional nature of the recording process and the conceptual elements of the album. On the way they cover Phil's background in music, which includes everything from commercial work as a session musician in the 1980s, to recording Ed Kuepper's solo album from 2015, 'Lost Cities'.
