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Naropa University President Chuck Lief discussing the history and legacy of Naropa as a foundational piece in the contemporary mindfulness movement and one of the first places that mindfulness was taught in a secular, systematic way while at the same time being deeply informed by contemplative traditions, especially Indo-Tibetan Buddhist traditions. We discuss the controversial legacy of the schools founder, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, and stories from his life and the early days of the school. Chuck shares about his life's work as a lawyer and activist and sone surprising reasons for the high cost of university education in the USA today.