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Sorry, I know you’re tired of me saying ‘this episode of Escape Hatch is special, but this episode of Escape Hatch is special. We’re joined by the former Deputy National Security Advisor and co-host of Pod Save the World, Ben Rhodes. For over a decade Ben’s been tasked with anticipating and addressing potential threats to democracy, and on this episode he and Jason lead a fascinating discussion about the potential threats of AI, particularly one that is hardly ever talked about, the risk of us being left isolated from others because we turn to AI companionship. To illustrate this, we use Spike Jonze’s gorgeous and incredibly prescient AI relationship classic starring Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johannsen, Her.

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Music by Scott Fritz and Who’z the Boss Music.

Cover art by ctcher.

Edited by Megan Hayward of EditAudio.

Produced by Haitch.

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