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On this week's episode, host Jenné Myers interviews Vu Le of Nonprofit AF.  With Vu's no-BS approach and irreverent sense of humor, the two discuss how the nonprofit sector and funders must adapt their practices and framework in the face of the COVID-19 pandemic and civil unrest.  As Vu says, "Maybe what we need to do, instead of focusing on empathy as the only condition or the only factor in helping people, is we target justice -- which means we do what is just no matter if we can sum up enough empathy or sympathy for someone."