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In this episode, we speak once again to Julian and discuss how a strict upbringing, a predominantly white middle-class schooling and a red-brick university education helped to shape the man he is today. We also ask whether these experiences have stopped him from getting caught up in the stereotypical view of ‘a black man’ in today's society and why making his impassioned speech at the Birmingham BlackLivesMatter protest was so important to him.  Enjoy! Ni and Sim