National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 13, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 13 segment, Mark Henkel points out the insanity of having society littered with abandoned single moms due to "marriage-phobic males and playa baby-daddies" and yet making it a crime for polygamous men who adamantly want the responsibility of marriage. Mark Henkel uses his renowned "10 men and 10 women" soundbite to demonstrate two things: (1) OMOW, One Man One Woman, oppresses and deprives women the choice of better men, and (2) allowing women the free choice of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, incentivizes lesser men to grow up and to start becoming better men for the women to choose. Mark Henkel ends this Part 13 with explaining why he identifies OMOW as "Marital Socialism" or "Marital Marxism," as being the Marxist cry of, "One for each so that each may have one! The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.