National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 9, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 9 segment, the writer asked who Mark Henkel thought was the strongest opposition to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and their goal of freedom. He began his reply by explaining how it takes liberal arguments to persuade liberals and conservative arguments to persuade conservatives - especially Christian conservatives. Citing a quote from George Orwell's book, "1984,” Mark Henkel empathetically understood the psychological challenge for Christians when they are faced with this startling dilemma of having to realize that all the great Christians they knew in their life were wrong about polygamy and the Catholic-invented OMOW (one man, one woman) doctrine. Using the metaphor from the book by Hans Christian Andersen, Mark Henkel concluded his point, especially about OMOW doctrine, "The Emperor has no clothes. It is not in the Bible." The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.