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For today's episode on Race and Religion we welcome two special guests, Rev. James Ellerbe, bringing the faith perspective, and Micah Murray, host of the podcast the Existential Happy Hour representing the ex-evangelical viewpoint. We start by asking the question, "Why are American churches still so segregated today?" And then we explore other difficult topics like the role of black celebrity ministers as power brokers, how the term evangelical has become synonymous with white Christianity in the US, and the not-so-subtle ways that racism can show up in church. Both men open their hearts about their experiences with religion and uncover the ugly underbelly of religious hypocrisy. We talk about the role of white privilege and how it has shaped the absurd image of white, northern European Jesus, and we conclude by discussing what the role of the church should be in matters of racial equity.