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For the fuller background on Liam's story you can find it at What the Hell is a Pastor?

This week Corey sits down with Liam, a licensed pastor in Pennsylvania to talk about what it looks like when the principalities resist change and confrontation. The two commiserate for a short while on the likeness of their situation before working to break it down theologically into the topics of general disruption, sexism, and white supremacy, all topics tied to the church drama. 

They ask the question - is the institutional church as it stands really something worth preserving? 

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