Trigger Warning: Some of our conversation is about our respective miscarriages, and what it means to feel alone through the emotional trauma. If miscarriage, abortion or stillbirth triggers you, please give this episode a pass. I'm not looking to hurt anyone. You will see me call a friend of mine "Twinnie" on Twitter a LOT. That twin is none other than Tanja, my guest for today! We get into some deep conversations about the meaning of poetry, how to get into reading poetry if it isn't your thing (or mine), and we touch on how much it means to us to have the deep conversations. Neither of us enjoy small talk, so we go deep. Sponsors: Krys Thomas, author of Time to Wake: https://www.amzn.com/B08WLYGY7V and Caroline Fleur, author of Destiny and Other Dilemmas https://www.amzn.com/1736644742