Al and I weren't even sure what IVF stood for let alone what is was and the process it involved before LJ & Steve recorded with us! They are two amazing people who had gone down the IVF path (quite a few times!!) and they were kind enough to share their incredible journey of this taboo topic. They are real and raw about the whole thing in this ep, outlining infertility and how they knew, expenses involved, the emotional roller coaster of the constant fails and the so called "pressure" to have to children as a couple getting older. BUT how beautiful it is to be able to bring a human into the world via this method. It's a super interesting one, one for the guys as well!