Have you ever seen someone whose life appeared seemingly perfect from the outside, only to learn that they were actually suicidal or living with chronic depression? Liz talks with Dr. Margaret Rutherford, psychotherapist and the host of The SelfWork Podcast. Dr. Margaret takes us into the world of Perfectly Hidden Depression, and discusses her book that she wrote on this topic. Many of us have a general idea of what we think depression looks like, but Dr. Margaret brings a new lens to the fact that often, depressed individuals still function out of a perfectionistic and overfunctioning place. NOTE: This episode includes sensitive and triggering conversations around suicide and self-harm behaviors.