Jon talks with one of the most successful recovery experts Christian Szurko about his model of involvement with authoritarian groups. Christian refines decades of work with thousands of recovering members to give a clear and exceptionally useful model that will help many to better understand their own and other people's involvement with extremist authoritarian sects.
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