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In the Hold my Drink — navigating culture with a chaser of civility, and Counterweight podcast, Episode 49, we speak with Naama Kates, host of the Incel Podcast. Naama gives insight into the counter-cultural movement of incels and black pill ideology, unveiling both uncomfortable truths and dispelling shadowy myths. We also explore the current social justice narrative of oppressor and oppressed and the mismatch this creates for incels. All discussed with a chaser of civility, of course, a mango smoothie and a shot of bourbon.

To read a recap of the conversation and additional thoughts, and to see what we are each reading, visit our post Understanding Black Pill Ideology on the Hold my Drink website. You can also watch the conversation on the Hold my Drink YouTube page.