Izzy and Anna are back for yet another art therapy session. What begins as a very chaotic episode soon turns surprisingly coherent - they talk about building sustainable habits, the chicken and egg of applications, taking the pressure off making work, finding ways to keep the mystery, and collage. Artists mentioned are Liv Gravil (former Down to a Fine Art guest!) and Mire Lee. The collages Anna mentions are on her Instagram (@anna.harris.art), posted on 2nd February 2025. Music: Ketsa, Still Room On The Night Train available at https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Ketsa