This week I'm joined by Daniel Görtz who is one of the marvellous minds behind Metamodern philosopher and theorist, Hanzi Freinacht. We delve into where Daniel is currently at in his creative process and get a little sneak peak into the next few books currently under development. We unpack the connection between Solarpunk and Metamodernism and explore how Indigenous Wisdom fits into the broader picture of Daniel's work. We explore our shared fascination with shame and discuss our personal practices around attempting to move through it in our bodies. We analyse the hyper intellectual nature of the broader Meta movement and learn about Daniel's involvement in a project that aims to integrate a number of leading Meta theories into one giant framework. But most of all we talk about the profound importance of friendship. I love this mans brain and his heart as well. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.