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Poet Lillian-Yvonne Bertram talks with Nat and Nino about using code to write poems, the simple pleasures of button pushing, going slow to go fast, unsupervised AI on the internet, and how to stop the machine apocalypse (hint: unplug em).

This episode begins with a reading of "A New Sermon on the Warpland." Thanks to the Poetry Society of America for letting us use this audio! You can find another version of this poem in its form as digital performance here along with so many other fabulous poems and projects in computer-human hybridity at lillianyvonnebertram.com.

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