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Poet, librarian and educator, Alison Rollins talks with Nat and Nina about survival of many kinds, including wilderness time travel, archives, and letting the birds come to you. Find Alison's book Library of Small Catastrophes with Copper Canyon Press, and find another great interview with Alison and fellow queer survivalist Latria Graham at the Poetry Podcast. Also! You can now support Queers At the End of the World on Patreon by going to patreon.com/queersattheendoftheworld. Come to support queer art, stay for a bunch more queer art!

Please note that this version of the interview is a slightly edited form of the episode we originally put out, and that’s because one of our awesome listeners from Australia got in touch to tell us that the course name for Cody Lundin’s class includes a word that is incredibly offensive there, a slur that’s used against indigenous people. We’ve taken it out of this version, because we don’t want anyone else to feel that gut punch. We do want to say that we’re super grateful to the person who called us in about it. This show is a relationship with you, each other, and our guests, and that means we really, really hope that if any of you listeners is ever like, do Nat and Nina want to know that this thing they said caused me pain? Or do Nat and Nina want to know that something they said stands to harm folks I care about? The answer is yes. We want to know. And we’ll be grateful anytime we’re given a chance to try and repair. Send us a message if you want to talk, and thanks for listening!