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Jake and Jill are joined by retired mental health therapist Sheryl Ginsberg. They discuss the mental health challenges of Covid and the mental health of Utah in general.

- Why didn't Donald Trump create MAMA masks?

- Why you should cough in grocery stores

- Sheryl speculates why Jake is feeling exhausted without a physical explanation

- Some reasons why therapy might not work

- How long to stick with a therapist before deciding it's not working

- Does everyone really need a therapist?

- Anxiety seems more prevalent. Is it more common now or is it just that people are more open and vocal about it?