I do an intro. It's about the Olga Tokarczuk novel FLIGHTS. I say something about the cloud of unknowing, the self that inhabits everyone's self. I imagine everyone's self together swirling in a trough of human momentum. All selves becoming other selves in a constant process of transformation throughout time and history. I introduce the podcast that way. Then Cody Greenlee and I have an uncomfortable conversation about our feelings and ideas. It's funny. He's funny. We don't talk about the 1971 Elaine May movie A New Leaf, starring Walter Matthau and Elaine May.
