I ramble about Ukrainian history during the intro to the podcast--something about how The Soviet Union suppressed Ukrainian nationalists and starved out the Ukrainian peasant class in the 1930's in order to keep the union together, even at the expense of millions of lives--anyway--the podcast goes all over the place, as always. Joe talks about his family. I talk about working as a strip club dj. At no point do we even begin to discuss the Douglas Sirk cinema classic All That Heaven Allows.
