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We don't talk about movies or anything, but Escape from New York is a film I can watch over and over again. I discover something new about manhood and stoicism in the face of tragedy every time I watch that John Carpenter classic. The sequel's not as great, but it's still fun. Anyway, Will Loden's back on the podcast and we discuss customer service. We also remember our friend Judaea Driscoll. It's masculine camp: a conversation full of sincerity and silliness, desperation and joy. Like and subscribe.