Steven Herrmann speaks with Joanna about: William Everson and the poet as a medicine person; Whitman and being in love with the Earth; an arch of spiritual freedom, from William James to the sixties; the human shadow and the destruction of the environment; the influence of Native American spirituality in the founding of American democracy; the competing myths in the collective American psyche;; Herman Melville; “Moby Dick” and the foreseeing of same sex marriage; the early American poets and the liberation of Eros; the vocational dreams from Nature; practices for spiritual democracy.