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The Relational Experts are back in a podcast that is taking on the way men conceptualize failure in our lives. Jeff Ortiz LMFT and Adam Luke LMFT sit back and hold space in a discussion that runs straight at the uncomfortable social discussions about avoidance, failure, rejection and learning how to pick yourself back up and harness experienced adversity as a catalyst in creating successful relationships. Without failure we would be without the contexts in which drive our relationships for self improvement, emotional development and  deeper meaning in our professional and personal lives. Listen in as Adam and Jeff break down social narratives, shine light on inconvenient relational truths and navigate rolling with the resistance that sometimes can feel like a constant in the lives we live.