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Sustaining progressive media outlets is famously difficult. It's hard to make or raise any money since philanthropic donors often steer away from media. However, progressive magazines and journals play a super important role in American politics and culture. They investigate stories about the abuse of power that nobody else pays attention to, and they help shift key debates in public life.

Few people know the world of progressive media better than Katrina vanden Heuvel, who was editor of The Nation magazine for nearly 25 years, starting in 1995. During that time, Katrina brought enormous new energy in legions of new subscribers to The Nation. She also emerged as one of the left's most visible commentators. Appearing regularly on ABC news and writing a column in the Washington post these days, host David Callahan spoke with Katrina on donors and changes in progressive politics.

Inside Change is produced by David Callahan and Kayan Tara.