The initial element for changing church culture is changing the story that the church is telling and living out. A church-centric narrative contends that if we build great churches – serving as vendors of religious goods and services – we will usher in the kingdom. In this podcast, Reggie debunks this notion and offers suggestions for shifting the narrative to a kingdom-centric story. This podcast is the audio portion of a series of ten videoed conversations called the “Future Church Symposium,” a discussion on the reposition of church-as-institution to church-as-movement amongst Reggie and pastors Jordan Rimmer and Chris Thomas. Anyone who dreams of a more impactful church will resonate with these discussions.