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As promised, we're back with Part II of our discussion on church hurt and pastors behaving badly, and heads up, we talk about some sensitive subjects including SA, church abuse, and narcissism. There are surprisingly few digressions in this one, so grab a blendy coffee and pull up a chair. We're getting real today, y'all.

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