In this conversation, Mark and April explore how play, symbols, and intention open real thresholds of change. April shares her path from disability support work into Jungian sandplay therapy, why the subconscious chooses the right symbols before we do, and how a pair of intentional tattoos (“Letting Go of Fear” / “Letting Love In”) became a living practice.
We get into metamorphosis as a template (egg → caterpillar → chrysalis → butterfly), her project The Quiet Space, writing Pain as a Portal, an unexpected health initiation that forced deep embodiment, and how ecstatic dance (Dancing Freedom) moves energy through the elements - earth, water, fire, air, ether. If you’re navigating discomfort or longing for transformation, this one’s a field guide made of stories.
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TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:04] Two “guides,” one conversation
[00:01:12] Sandplay 101: Jung, trays, and living symbols
[00:03:35] The subconscious chooses—then shows you the next step
[00:05:21] Working with youth (and why adults can still play)
[00:07:06] Altars everywhere: reading life’s symbolic language
[00:09:46] When the story doesn’t match the symbols
[00:15:59] Tattoos as thresholds: fear out, love in
[00:17:25] Ceremony in the studio: intention changes everything
[00:22:13] Naming a practice: from Blue Soul to The Untold Space
[00:26:40] The Quiet Space: six months of communal stillness
[00:29:37] Pain as a Portal and the butterfly template
[00:34:54] Watching metamorphosis (literally) changes the work
[00:39:06] Burnout, blood, and a body-led initiation
[00:41:59] From head to body: integration as a survival skill
[00:48:04] Dancing Freedom: earth → water → fire → air → ether
[00:52:02] Purification vs transformation (and choosing harmony)
[00:55:17] The Diamond Metamorphosis Template (12 facets)
[00:57:12] Celebrate chrysalis → butterfly (don’t just rush ahead)
[01:01:01] A practice you can do now: say hello to the discomfort
