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In this episode, John is joined by Mylee to discuss the concept of suffering in Christianity and how it can be used manipulatively.

Mylee explains that suffering is a fundamental part of the Christian faith, as it is believed to be a means of spiritual growth and purification. John points out that some Christians use the idea of suffering to justify their own complacency in the face of injustice and oppression. They may believe that suffering is an inevitable part of life and that attempts to alleviate it are futile.

Despite these concerns, Mylee and John both acknowledge the positive role that suffering can play in personal growth and spiritual development. They discuss how, when approached with compassion and empathy, suffering can be a powerful tool for building resilience and fostering empathy for others. Even so, this kind of growth seems impossible inside the cult of Christianity.